tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post2013810262884839123..comments2023-10-24T02:07:43.165-07:00Comments on Zion Beckons: In the End . . .Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-13793161397697961282007-08-19T20:53:00.000-07:002007-08-19T20:53:00.000-07:00It's unfortunate that getting along is viewed as s...It's unfortunate that getting along is viewed as something that is unacceptable or as a weakness or as a shirking of responsibility.<BR/><BR/>There are effective ways of resolving conflicts and having disagreements. It doesn't mean one has to be disagreeable.<BR/><BR/>Sadly a whole generation has been lost because they failed to grasp this important truth.<BR/><BR/>The youth offer a bright hope.<BR/>e.c.Equally Coyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287697631605264705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-55975541585157895412007-08-18T22:36:00.000-07:002007-08-18T22:36:00.000-07:00If I am suspended for defending truth and standing...If I am suspended for defending truth and standing up for righteouness it is nothing I have to be ashamed of.<BR/>To me it's funny, and kind of sad, that the ability "to get along" means you must be quiet and not boldly declare God's truth. If that is what I must do "to get along", I'll take a pass.<BR/>The youth that don't "have a dog in the fight" better start visiting the pet store. If they don't understand the issues and merrily follow along with those declaring, with their lips, peace they will be led, like the children of the pied piper, to a less glorious reward in the eternal worlds.<BR/><BR/>ChristopherBook of Mormon Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248239103967996362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-71678054168940310552007-08-16T18:56:00.000-07:002007-08-16T18:56:00.000-07:00Christopher,No one had to do any arm twisting.It i...Christopher,<BR/>No one had to do any arm twisting.<BR/>It is clear that the young people in your camp don't have a dog in your fight.<BR/>They weren't even a glint in their daddy's eye when you all went through the problems of the 80's; and they cannot see the point of retooling that great divorce in the "new" family.<BR/>That is pretty obvious as an outsider looking in.<BR/><BR/>Finally, I am somewhat amused, if not saddened, by the badge of honor earned by being so disagreeable that one get's banned from a public discussion board. From your comments it seems you are old enough to know that being able to get along is not a skill that we leave behind on the playground of our childhood. It is a skill that continues to serve one well throughout life. Any hope of sharing anything or influencing anyone by what you share abruptly ends with your banishment.<BR/>In my estimation it is more a scarlet letter than a red badge of courage.<BR/>e.c.Equally Coyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287697631605264705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-36257465121595875112007-08-15T19:44:00.000-07:002007-08-15T19:44:00.000-07:00Adrienne and bro. ev-Thank you for your support. I...Adrienne and bro. ev-<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your support. I tend to get booted wherever I go, I've had like 10 usernames at ldschat :)<BR/>I guess it's my inablility to hide my beliefs and play nicey-nice with anyone who claims they want it.<BR/>I forgave a.v before he had the chance to offend me, he's young and I believe doesn't truely understand the importance of the issues involved. <BR/>It amazes me how certain folks have succeeded in convincing restoration brothers and sisters over there of the suppossed mean-spiritedness of those of us who stand up for truth.<BR/><BR/>ChristopherBook of Mormon Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248239103967996362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-29326910663461140692007-08-15T08:26:00.000-07:002007-08-15T08:26:00.000-07:00To Christopher, Job well done good and faithful se...To Christopher, <BR/><BR/>Job well done good and faithful servant! My husband was booted from that other place as well for standing up for our Brothers and Sisters in Honduras! His post lasted all of 2 minutes. <BR/><BR/>Poster a.v. was the one that should have been booted. He seemed to project the allusion of having a power serge in his writing technique after the monitor dressed me down. Perhaps another human “ghost writer” stepped in his place for a few postings. I was sincere in my gentle motherly correction of his very wrong behavior. I dearly love my neighbors and would have done the same with my own children had they dared the wrong he did you. It is to his disadvantage that no one else cared enough to correct him properly. Christopher, please forgive a.v. He really knows not what he does. Those that know God through Jesus Christ understood the wrong and right of it all. Most important God knows. All Glory to Him that fearfully and wonderfully made you! <BR/><BR/>It is good you have found a place of refuge here among true believers trying our best to escape deception and destruction. I have found the hosts do have a method of keeping us on our toes.<BR/><BR/>So polish up the Whole Armor of God, keeping your helmet of salvation firmly on your head! <BR/><BR/>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/><BR/><BR/>To Cecil, <BR/><BR/>I understand your posts and need no decoder rings! I have something much better! I have the Scriptures and know God. Since you, Cecil, have the same we are one in Christ. Unity so simply achieved by following the commandments of the Lord! <BR/><BR/>Love and Prayer for all posting here,<BR/>AdrienneAdriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09316547261696232138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-26807831205859697462007-08-15T08:13:00.000-07:002007-08-15T08:13:00.000-07:00After nearly a quarter century of marriage I am co...After nearly a quarter century of marriage I am coming to the realization that my husband is quite a bit nicer than I am. I usually don't comment on the comments, unless there's genuine confusion and/or a sincerity of heart. Cec, on the other hand, feels compelled to 'splain away that which should be clear to anyone who really gives a hoot. Oh well, here's another one of his justifications. We seem to be approaching Tinfoil Hat Alert.<BR/> <BR/>Seeker<BR/><BR/>To Equally Coy,<BR/><BR/>In so far as comments follow the rules all are welcome, in fact invited. If they don’t seem relevant, so be it. We are not promoting a dog fight.<BR/><BR/>In my youth, the device of choice for decoding messages was my treasured“Captain Midnight Official Decoder Ring.” A few years later I went to Washington, DC and worked for the FBI and my interest in cryptanalysis became somewhat more sophisticated. During the Korean War I joined the<BR/>Army and was trained by Army Security Agency and the whole business took on a more serious tone.<BR/><BR/>There really is no “code” here. Unlike my spouse, I am reluctant to place the blame on specific individuals by name. Ad hominem attacks on individuals seem to lessen the character of the attacker and enhance the reader’s sympathy for the object of the assault. Most followers of the<BR/>Restoration movement recognize the situations all too well and have no<BR/>difficulty assigning identity to those referenced. I would recommend “The Failure of the Gentiles” by John Moody if you wish an accurate appraisal of the history that has brought us to this point.<BR/><BR/>As far as the essay is concerned; it is an attempt to inform the<BR/>membership that their failure to take part in current affairs in the<BR/>church and remain silent is as much an abomination as the overt efforts by those who would water down the gospel and ultimately destroy the church.<BR/><BR/>If you will re-read our general invitation to participants you will notice that everyone is welcome. We laud the perfection of our Savior but do not share His perfection so we anticipate criticism and disagreement. You are always welcome e.c., just as you would be in our congregation.<BR/><BR/>CecilOne of the Moonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10578337206919287501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-65851498188110532132007-08-14T18:05:00.000-07:002007-08-14T18:05:00.000-07:00Is it just me or do others have trouble seeing the...Is it just me or do others have trouble seeing the relevance of the comments to the post?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps it is just me.<BR/>But I have read the original "in the end" post several times now and must admit I am not sure what is the point...in the end.<BR/>So maybe it is really quite appropriate that the comments don't follow.<BR/>Based on my reading over on the other board that seems to have spawned this blog, I can say that the first comment here is expected.<BR/>But the other 3?<BR/><BR/>SO anyway, I am wondering Cec, what is it you are trying to say here? I love to read your writing. You are quite a painter of words. But it seems that you are speaking in some kind of coded language. I keep searching for my decoder ring, or red and blue glasses or overlays to try to understand what it is you seem to so desparately want to say but can't seem to quite pull the trigger on. I can already hear the response coming so maybe I can save you the keystrokes- yes I am not one of you, and yes I am sure you wonder why I am here anyway, and yes maybe my understanding is precluded by my lack of adherence to your "rod of iron", is it?<BR/><BR/>This is your blog, man. You don't have to pull any punches.<BR/>Why be so mysterious and aloof?<BR/><BR/>Who is it that you are having problems with?<BR/>What practical measures are you taking to resolve those problems?<BR/><BR/>Is there no one except you and Jan and Hartley and Adrienne that have it "right"? Is that what this is all about?<BR/><BR/>Speaking in vague platitudes of accusation accomplishes little except to fuel your own discontent, along with taggers on.<BR/>It is a bit like a democrat who has been brainwashed by a John Birch Society operative-can only complain about the other party's agenda, offer no reasonable and practical alternative, and sleeps with one eye open because everything is a conspiracy.<BR/><BR/>What is it you want....in the end?<BR/>e.c.Equally Coyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287697631605264705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-77160149539964350682007-08-14T12:56:00.000-07:002007-08-14T12:56:00.000-07:00Christopher:Many of us consider being banned or su...Christopher:<BR/><BR/>Many of us consider being banned or suspended a crowning achievement on that board. I have been warned once, but not dumped yet. A few of us have played mighty close to the edge a number of times and often think we are about to be cut off, but so far we are still hanging on.<BR/><BR/>I appreciated your sincere input on the CP board. I'm sure the latest "war" has just begun.<BR/><BR/>Just wanted to let you know that a number of us stand with you in defense of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as He restored it.<BR/><BR/>Your brother in Christ,<BR/>brother EvBrother Evhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224838598558060010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-12290357937296124772007-08-13T20:52:00.000-07:002007-08-13T20:52:00.000-07:00Well, my account has been suspended over at center...Well, my account has been suspended over at centerplace, I suppose it was inevitable. If you read over there you know what I'm like, so there shouldn't be any surprises. I'm definatley not silent.<BR/><BR/>ChristopherBook of Mormon Warriorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248239103967996362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-60919115355716419062007-08-12T12:08:00.000-07:002007-08-12T12:08:00.000-07:00I have come to learn that seeking after signs, or ...I have come to learn that seeking after signs, or visitations, or "experiences" is wrong. Joseph Smith, Jr. did not go into the woods, seeking any of those things. He was seeking the Lord's wisdom. <BR/><BR/>I remember the first camp I went to as a child. They had allowed 9-year-olds to go to the Junior High camp (Doniphan 1960). My only thoughts were joy, and fear (leaving my parents for a week), and the excitement of going swimming every day. <BR/><BR/>I went to the classes and learned things I had never heard before. I was thrilled to be a part of the camp with the "big kids." <BR/><BR/>As the week drew to a close, I went to the dedication service not knowing what to expect. I had never been to one before. At one point we broke up into little groups and went for a prayer walk. Our group walked for a short time and took hands in a large circle. We were supposed to pray for the people next to us. I didn't know them, but as I prayed for them, I felt the Spirit for the first time in my life. It was not something I sought, but something that came out of my prayers for the children next to me. <BR/><BR/>In the following years, I sought that experience. I was looking for it and was very disappointed that I did not get it. I was angry at God, and then angry with myself. Why couldn't I have that experience.<BR/><BR/>I know, now, why that did not happen. I was seeking the experience rather than the Lord. This happens in a big way when people fast and pray and exercise a type of faith so that they will have an "experience." If we beg too much we may end up getting something like in the parable of the woman and the unrighteous judge, or like the women who wanted to be in the priesthood. <BR/><BR/>Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.Patricia Raganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716621391920862590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037457696217227495.post-80717282920131009002007-08-12T07:09:00.000-07:002007-08-12T07:09:00.000-07:00Thank you Brother Cecil for a beautiful message! O...Thank you Brother Cecil for a beautiful message! Our service was canceled and we are meeting together with our little family in our living room. We will share this with during our family devotions.<BR/><BR/>Your Sister in Christ,<BR/><BR/>AdrienneAdriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09316547261696232138noreply@blogger.com